January 22, 2007

Loathsome dating site redux

Perhaps it was the cranberry juice talking. I think it was boredom, and a bit of masochism.

Whatever the story, I decided to peruse WealthyMen.com and HotEnough.org, pretty much for shits and giggles. After all, who would date one of the asses from these sites? This trial took place over about 4 days.

Wealthy Men boasts “a verified selection of men making more than $100,000 a year.” Suuuuuure. Not so. Not even close, I don’t think. Men have to go through an arduous process to prove their income, and women are invited to send a copy of their driver’s licenses to verify that they are who their pics say they are- no impostor chicks, in other words. That’s what they say, but I’m a bit doubtful on both counts.

HotEnough.org, on the other hand, claims that you have to be “an 8 out of 10″ to get membership. They put your pic up on the site, wait for 25 members to vote on you, and then you’re in or out. After that, you supposedly have to maintain a rating of 8 or higher to keep your dating privileges. The preview pages of the site offer you no looks at any profiles, and the site actually looks pretty crappy and cheap. I think a halfway bored high schooler could have done a better job, personally, but that’s my opinion.

My ad for both was simple and fun, and I put up some cute, sexy pics showed my bod off pretty well (I was wearing a bikini in one). I said that I was 24 (hahahaha!), in school (no, not quite yet at the time), and that I was looking for someone strong and kinda Alpha around the edges (thanks, romantic erotica novels!). For HotEnough, I did have to submit a face pic, so I sent in one of my blue denim halter dress shots as well, because I think I look pretty hot in those pics.

I got a response from Wealthy Men first. The guy was fugly like woah. I mean, he was so ugly that I think that God started to cry when he came out of the heavenly oven. God then threw him out of Heaven to the ugly orchard, where he then hit every branch of every tree on the way down. But, hey! He makes $200,000 a year. Uh, no. The only other answer I get is one from a guy with no pic and absolutely nothing to say for himself. The selection of men is pretty lame, with an age range from 22 to 65. So, you have rich boys spreading herpes, midlife crisis sufferers cheating on their wives, and old men that really need to use up that black market Viagra that they got just last week. Lame site. Laaaaaaaame.

Their new ad campaign has been popping up on MySpace, as well. I wish it wasn’t. I wish that I didn’t have to gouge my eyes out, but I do. The women look like Paris Hilton on a bender. I notice that the ads targeted toward men are a lot more predatory in their tone. They say, “You work hard. Now play hard.” The missing comma in the last sentence is the least of this concept’s problems. So…your ad campaign targeted for women is pretty simple, and emphasizes meeting wealthy men. Okay. But, your ad for men is about racking up points? Let’s face it: anyone on these sites actually looking for someone who values their minds, not their bodies, is due for a major upset. Yet, it would be nice for them to at least be honest about their wealth-based concept for adult dating/vapid hookups.

What about HotEnough, you ask? Well, yeah. It turns out that I wasn’t hot enough. I only rated a 5.9 out of 10. That shouldn’t sting, but it kinda does. But…I have to say some things about this site:

1) Out of the first 300 applications to the site, only 50 were selected.

2) In their ads, they have NO Blacks, Asians (oh, wait! There’s a token Asian), Latinos, or Indians. In other words, there are no minorities. Usually, a smart ad campaign includes a representative sample of the population. Even if there were 25 minorities on the site, there would probably be one in one of the ads. Nope. Never. I think that the girls that hang out down the Shore in the summertime and have a tanning membership would have a grand old time on this site. You can be as selective as you want…but, uh, it’s gonna be hard to date if you have a membership of 5000 spread internationally, if even that many. That could account for the low quality of their site, along with the cheap advertising.

Lately, I haven’t seen many ads for Hot Enough. Even though they were featured on Howard Stern’s show at one time, I really do think that their selectivity is their death knell. And, they have special offers just for their members? Oh, like what? I already have good contacts for all the best parties in the city through MySpace alone. What the hell does this site offer that would make simple, hassle-free networking seem like a worse deal? I’m guessing not much.

So…my experience can be summed up like this: gimmicky sites are for gimmicky people. Do not try a dating site unless you’re really, really normal. Like, killer normal. Or, rilly, rilly HOT!

PS- this is the pic that I sent in for HotEnough: jeanette_03.jpgcredit to Tarilyn Quinn at UnScene.com

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March 12, 2007

Daniela :

Hi. I’m a reporter working on a story about hotenough.org and would like to talk to you about it. Please e-mail me at dmfe928@gmail.com (not my official address for security purposes) if you’re interested! I hope to hear from you.

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Paul :

As someone who has tried internet dating sites I must say I disagree
with you. There is a need for sites such as HotEnough.org. I have
above average looks and they rated me a 9. I was on Match.com for
a while and I just got tired of wading through all the desperate, less
than attractive women. Now that’s not to say that they are bad people,
and they may make a fantastic friend, but I’m just not at all attracted to
the majority of them. I can understand you slamming them but I sort
of doubt you would if you had been accepted. I also take issue with
your implied racism. As a white man that has dated several black
women, I would have to say you weren’t accepted because frankly you
are rather average looking my dear.

Well, sweetcakes, let’s see.

First of all, from what you’re saying, you are simply toooo pretty for us being trapped on this mortal coil. I daresay, good sir, that your…shall we say…United Nations-esque dating tendencies are to be lauded, I suppose. Hmmm.

I notice there’s not a link to a pic. Either your beauty is so piercing that your camera can’t handle you, or, well…I don’t know.

Let me be frank, here. People are more than the sum of their outer carbon layer. If you can’t see past that, which you obviously can’t, then you’ve done us a favor by extricating yourself from the general gene pool so that other women aren’t treated to your condescending nature, your unyielding vanity, and standards that even Hera couldn’t reach.

Have fun with your Real Dolls, darling.

Oh…and, I’m sorry, there’s enough fabulousness, intellect, and talent in this little chocolate diva that I’d crush you.

Paul :

Look sugarplum, I can understand your vituperate manner towards me.
I really don’t think anyone that is average looking particularly wants to
be reminded of that fact. It is also a fact that good looking people date
good looking people, that is undeniable with one possible exception.
That being if the man is rich then a great looking woman will lower her
standards, I don’t think I need to enumerate all of the examples here.

I agree that people are more than the sum of their “outer carbon layer”. That’s why being attractive only gets you in the game with me, if your
insides aren’t as attractive as your outsides then the relationship won’t
last past one date. The other dirty little secret of attractiveness is that
the more attractive a woman is, the less likely she will be a person of
character. Why? Because she hasn’t had to develop one since she has
been fawned over all her life and has skated by on her looks. That is
probably why the majority of my friends have less than model quality
looks. It is actually fairly difficult to find a hot looking woman that
is worth having a relationship with. Sites like HotEnough.org at least
solve half the problem.

As far as your crushing me comment goes, I can see that even though
you haven’t been able to skate by in life on your looks, you haven’t
developed much in the way of character either. You might want to
work on that.

Best regards,

Paul

March 22, 2007

isiskalislushlife :

I’ll be crying in the arms of my loving friends and family, Zoolander. Wait a moment…why are you wasting time on someone so beneath your notice?

And it takes a pretty lame character to skate by on your looks as a way of life. If I did that, I’d WISH that someone would smack me back down to reality.

This is the problem with the mentality of people that think hotenough is just swell. You think that you’re owed something for what you’ve been given. What isn’t understood here is that 1) beauty’s a blessing, not a convenience, 2) that said blessing can be an absolute repellant to others, since beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and 3) that skating by on your looks is actually a GOOD thing?

Check out the NYC modelling biz right about now. No one’s “skating by”. Girls are starving because they’re not getting paid to walk at the shows anymore. Not many people do.

Beauty is nice- but, if you don’t have the compassion, heart, or intellect to go with it, you’re S.O.L. People know when you look down on them. They can tell. You, for instance, in your vanity disdain most women, when in fact they’d disdain you first. Since looks are so visceral and dependent on others for appreciation, I think that you wish to protect yourself from potentially being dissed out by the uglies…the normal chicks. Therefore, you surround yourself with other less than confident folk on a closed dating site that won’t even show you any of the members’ pics.

I have beauty. I’m actually very kind when I’m not being condescended to, as you’ve chosen to do, and I’m of great value to the world because I see the world as being of great value to me. Therefore, my life is a treasure, and every day is a blessing. Can you say the same, or can you just look at your 9 and be happy?

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Derick :

Allow me to start my two cents with a quote “Paul : Look sugarplum,”.

As far as anything after that condensending opening having any worth, both in inner character and moral quality, it doesn’t.

Some things are just plainly, self evident.

March 23, 2007

randy :

wow this tread got outta control real quickly! i lost interest in reading the comments as soon as i saw it was just another flamewar.

but i gotta agree with you, do not try online dating unless you are a) absolutely middle-of-the-road in every way, or if you are b) super sexy. good observation.

and btw this post is useless without more pics :-)

March 24, 2007

mieoux :

Paul! I take issue with your dissing attractive women.
I specifically take issue with your comment:
“The other dirty little secret of attractiveness is that
the more attractive a woman is, the less likely she will be a person of
character. Why? Because she hasn’t had to develop one since she has
been fawned over all her life and has skated by on her looks. That is
probably why the majority of my friends have less than model quality
looks.”
This is simply not true.

People make a lot of wrong and unfair assumptions about beautiful people and more so about beautiful women. We’re not smart, we have no character, we skate on our looks. I will tell you that this is not true, maybe some people you’ve met have coincidentally had these issues but you cannot blanket beautiful women with this statement. Some of the top models in the fashion business have lived through civil wars and other experiences that are more “character building” than anything the average American would experience. However, having said that I don’t believe that adverse experiences build character, I think it’s really that people with “character” to begin with will work hard to rebuild it after an adverse experience. Shame on you for going along with the “she’s beautiful therefore she can’t be smart, have a personality, etc” which is an excuse for people who hate themselves and want to put others down, I would not have pegged you for that sort.

mieoux - meanwhile :

Looks aren’t everything, but since this discussion is mainly about looks, here goes:
Isiskali you are rilly, rilly hot, and you don’t need any third party to tell you that but I can tell you my thoughts on why you didn’t get the score you actually deserve - it’s the photographs- you are hiding yourself both in the photo you submitted and even in the photo on your blog.

1) I can’t see your face: from your pictures you show exactly half your face. By assuming that the other half of your face looks more or less like this half I deduced that you have a gorgeous nose, beautiful eyes, amazing eyebrows and cheekbones and beautiful luscious lips - but these two pictures don’t show this - they are from the side and they hide your face - bring it with a full frontal close up on that beautiful face, don’t give me half the beautiful.
2) I can’t see your legs: From the little I can see on the photo in that sexy demin dress you have fantastic legs, yet your legs are relegated to the background and essentially shrunk due to the angle of the photograph, what a waste, and in that dress that is fantastic for showing legs.
3) I can’t see your body: The pose is not doing you any favors- first you are sticking your middle forward, sticking your tummy forward will make a skeleton look wide, and then you have your hands at your waist in a manner that hides the definition of your waist.

Get a better photographer - either someone who shoots models or at least watches ‘America’s next top model’

March 26, 2007

DesertBro :

Jeanette,

I saw your comments on the MSNBC article, so I read your article about the dating sites. It was nice to read some thoughts from someone who actually tried the sites, but I feel your attitude was negatively tainted from the get-go and that seriously skewed your opion and comments regarding both sites. That doesn’t make your criticisms wrong, just possibly more vicious and cynical.

So as to prime your attitude before reading my thoughts on the HotEnough site, I offer my comments on your pics:
•Hey, you look hot enough for me, but I always have ‘wood’ for petite women…just how it is.
•The quality of your pics are above average for dating sites. At least we’re not looking at the side of a house, a shadowy figure under a tree, a green-faced webcam snapshot, or an out of focus camera phone email photo half glared out. Damn, real photos.
•You look good in the pics, but I know on Saturday morning you scare the cat. Who cares…I’m just saying you’re somewhere between 5 and 8 depending on the time of day, day of week, and content of the last phone call you took. Beauty changes durinng the day, and from streetlight to restaurant light. Anyone who actually believes the image in the pic is gonna show up on a date is a fool.

Back to the subject, HotEnough. Hmm…PlainEnough, BlackEnough, RichEnough, DesperateMILFs, I don’t care what micro-niche sites are created to pre-sort dating pools. Just about every site offers a favorites tag or hotlist so that members do the same sorting…DUH. So I guess when you do it at home and cut all the men under 5′10 it’s okay, but when the site does it FOR you, it totally immoral, huh? WTF, there is no difference!

Most dating sites offer pics only sorting, how come they don’t offer “Essays over 500 words” sorting to filter out the people who can actually write or have personalities? Because on the first date it ain’t important to most people…they’re all hoping for magical “chemistry” to happen. With “chemistry” it doesn’t matter if their date is an axe-killer or
a super-egotistic blog writer, sex is gonna happen. Then later, magic “chemistry” is supposed to clean up all the stuff that doesn’t match. Yup, people usually date stupidly, so dating sites mirror this.

Y’know…if you can at least get some of what you want it ain’t bad. So I wish the member of HotEnough all the luck in the world, just like the members of any other dating site. It’s tough enough trying to match your high-hopes with real world people, without half the internet community trying to sabotage your happiness before it happens.

In closing, I’ll just say, “where’s the love?” and Jeanette, please wear some shorter skirts so guys like me will have a nice day when we see you walk up some stairs! Yo!

March 28, 2007

die liebe und nichts als die liebe (Trackback)

Heiße Schönheiten sind kalter Kaffee

In den USA macht gerade wieder ein Partnerdienst von sich reden: „HotEnough.org“ ist sein Name und er glaubt, dass Singles in Partnerbörsen nie wirklich „heiß“ sprich „gut aussehend“ genug waren. (Die Liebepur berichtete bereits im Dezember)

April 5, 2007

ganj verpeilt :

uh…they didn’t want you on this stupid site? their fault, i guess.
don’t let it mess up with you head ;)
btw, i found the link to this blog in a german online-newspaper…
they like to serve cold coffee ;)

stanco :

Hot Pic! Above 9!

A man :

She really does not look good…

Yaba :

Well, looking at the photo you sent in, it’s hard to judge. I believe you simply sent a bad photo and in reality you may look much better.

The perspective of the photo makes you smaller than you are.

Der SPIEGEL: Oberflächlichkeit und Fleischbeschau

Das Datingportal HoEnough, über das AP-Korrespondentin Daniela Flores schrieb, wird vom SPIEGEL als das bezeichnet, was es ist: „Es regiert der Kult der Oberflächlichkeit, bei dem der Wert von Menschen per Fleischbeschau ermittelt wird.“

Damit wi

Grübler :

Seriously, what do you worry abot? You look fine and beauty is something that has a “best before”-tag on it anyway. In my eyes HotEnough is nothing else but a mating parlor for people who reduce “attraction” to what their eyes can percieve. Well, I guess it is pretty individual but in my life the “hottest” women usually were not the most beautiful ones. As for the “most attractive” - I don’t care about a kilo more or less on a woman if she has more to offer than just looks. So my bottom line is:
- In Sex: Looks are important but overestimated. I had models who were boring like Fastfood and some “below average” women who rocked
- In Public: The prettier, the better… men/women just love to show off their hunted game (ergo: HotEnough.org)
- In a relationship: Face it - looks don’t last. They do play a role (you’ll have to see your loved one quite often) but the ability to talk reasonably with each other, to tolerate the other one and to trust each other is by far more important.

Ah, I forgot to mention: I would never ever be accepted on that website, but still have a fairly good time with the other part of mankind ;-)

a friend :

the world needs an enema!

a stranger :

I think you look great, dont listenabout that crap… Maybe, as suggested, get a better photo taken.

jolanda :

sorry, but this is really crazy. i have just taken a look on hotenough, just for having a look on the week’s hotties, because after all you have written about in this thread, i just thought: huu, the people they choose must be really attractive…*lol :) what’s the unlimited beauty of those chics? they are looking like everyone else who has photoshop and knows how to handle makeup and a good camera. i really cannot follow. i have only little experience with dating sites, therefore perhaps i have a lack of information. i just visited one site (for free), where you had to place a picture and i spend three days with laughing especially about those hhuuu-attractive-guys in white shirt with styling gel in their hair and flour on their teeth :)) . i think, hotenough.org is just boring, because you can have this for free, really, just don’t visit datingsites, where people want to marry after the first cup of coffee :)) so, talking and fighting about this? not really, its just not worth it!

*sorry for my english - i’m german ;)

Any outrage about THIS site?

http://www.bbwpersonalsplus.com/

Hippocrits form a queue here –>>

April 6, 2007

isiskalislushlife :

LOL…this is what I get for coming down with the flu and vanishing:P Sorry for the delay!

DesertBro: I would have to say that I’m not quite as weird about a BBW site because, well, I could still list myself on it, you know? I mean, I’d probably get flammed to hell, but I could do it. There aren’t any restrictions of that sort. Also, plus-sized people are wrongly frowned upon in many sectors, so I can see where it would be nice to have someplace to go where you’re embraced for who you are, safe from negativity. I don’t really see the pretty people being beaten up for being too good looking.

Hmmm…pics with shorter skirts…uh-oh, don’t tell me I’m going to have to start a photo gallery. I keed, I keed…

A stranger: I’ve gotten more taken since then. Whatevs, they suck! Thanks for the comps, man!

Jolanda: You’re not missing much on those sites. There’s a booming industry for identity and pic-checking now because of people posting fake pics. Stats are also coming in for the divorce rates from internet couples. Interesting stuff…I’ll have to keep posted.

April 7, 2007

Bernhard :

Hello! I think is a very good idea although I am sure I’m not “hot enough”. But at least here in german speaking countries nearly every girl thinks she is the cutest of the world and nearly no boy is “hot enough” for her. And perhaps such websites which tell them “you are not so special” can change this opinion.

April 11, 2007

Brian :

I like your style! You look very cool! I think look is not the most important thing for love. You may go to another site called Millionairematch.com to have a try. Unlike the above sites, there’re many quality people and they’re very funny.

May 28, 2007

Jason :

Going of the picture you posted, I’d give you a 10, and I’m about as white as they come. I checked out hotenough and it’s mostly bleach blondes and boob job wonders. If I wanted to see that, I’d subscribe to Playboy so at least I got to see the whole thing for the money I’d be wasting. I got a 6 on Hotornot, so I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t make hotenough’s beautiful people scale. Ohhh tragedy, superficial people are so much fun…to annoy.

June 2, 2007

DesertBro :

You said >>

Generally, no…but us “normals” don’t know what it’s like on the other side of the looking glass. Imagine one of those model types who wants a hefty guy, posts her pic on BBW site hoping a big guy will see it, but she catches hell for “taunting” or making fun of the other members. We normals tend to assume that any time a model type wears a nice dress, they’re deliberately trying to show us up.

I’m just saying it’s no bother to me that there’s a place they can go to feel a little more common and not be accused of ulterior motives before uttering word. Give the beautiful people a break….

Of course, in the case of HotOrNot.com the whole point IS TO BELITTLE everyone else, so that site doesn’t apply. Attack at will.

October 26, 2007

jacks brown :

nice meeting u i will luv 2 chart with u,my id is moses4luv23@yahoo.com

November 5, 2007

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December 11, 2007

Andi :

You just have too much sass for a snooze site like that!

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